if god is outside of nature and therefore cannot be proved or disproved by science, is atheism a form of blind faith?
after all, it cannot be defended on the basis of pure reason.. steven jay gould said;.
"science simply cannot by its legitimate methods adjudicate the issue of god's possible superintendence of nature.
The God atheists cannot disprove theists cannot prove.
Once you get to this line, what's the point of keeping on arguing for the existence of God?
But I can prove it to myself. Like the existence of fire if I place my hand in it; I burn therefore I am.
does anyone actually believe that the new covenant is temporary as the jws falsly teach and limited only to the 144,000?
that the non-annointed still "benefit" from it though are not parties to it?
that there can be salvation outside the nc?.
does anyone actually believe that the new covenant is temporary as the jws falsly teach and limited only to the 144,000?
that the non-annointed still "benefit" from it though are not parties to it?
that there can be salvation outside the nc?.
For those who don't understand the New Covenant and its related kingdom, the Jehovah’s Witnesses incorrectly teach that there are two kingdoms over which Christ rules. The first kingdom is called the “kingdom of the son of his love” (the New Covenant kingdom) and is a spiritual kingdom with Christ as head over the 144,000 only. This kingdom was brought into existence through the shed blood of Christ under the New Covenant God spoke of through Jeremiah at Jeremiah 31:31-34 and inaugurated at Pentecost. Only the 144,000, Christ and God are parties to the New Covenant with Christ acting as mediator for a short while.
The second kingdom, the real kingdom of God, is the “kingdom of our lord and of his Christ” (the 1914 kingdom). It began in 1914 at “the end of the “appointed times of the nations” and is over all mankind on earth” (Insight, 169; Reasoning, 95-97). The 1914 kingdom lasts forever. The 1914 kingdom, or “God’s kingdom” over which Jesus began to rule is of “greater proportions and bigger dimensions…” than the New Covenant kingdom, but Jesus received only a “subsidiary share” in the 1914 kingdom of God, they say.
does anyone actually believe that the new covenant is temporary as the jws falsly teach and limited only to the 144,000?
that the non-annointed still "benefit" from it though are not parties to it?
that there can be salvation outside the nc?.
BTW - have we had a thread recently showing what mainstream christianity thinks about these 144,000 references in Revelation?
For example - a symbolic representation of a vague "new Israel" i.e. the whole church? Martyred Christians through the centuries? Other?
I tried to start one but it seems to have been pulled as well.
Plenty of proofs here:
http://144000.110mb.com/144000/index.html#II
They really don't have a leg to stand on.
JD II
does anyone actually believe that the new covenant is temporary as the jws falsly teach and limited only to the 144,000?
that the non-annointed still "benefit" from it though are not parties to it?
that there can be salvation outside the nc?.
The JWs have actually made this practically one of the core tripods of their belief system. Other two being weird numerological chronology of the end, and an obsessive reliance on the medieval name Jehovah.
Add to that Arianism. I'm struck by the temporary nature of the NC contrary to all proofs. The New Covenant, and presumably the kingdom, expires when “… all of the ‘Israel of God’ (the 144,000) are resurrected to immortality in the heavens” (Insight, 524; parenthesis added). This means that the eternal New Covenant, in furtherance of and pursuant to which Jesus gave his life, lasts approximately two thousand years because the resurrection of the 144,000 began in 1918 and will conclude shortly (Climax Book, 103, 277).
Scratch my head.
does anyone actually believe that the new covenant is temporary as the jws falsly teach and limited only to the 144,000?
that the non-annointed still "benefit" from it though are not parties to it?
that there can be salvation outside the nc?.
That is my conclusion as well. It's amazing how they were able to come up with this novel idea.
JD II
does anyone actually believe that the new covenant is temporary as the jws falsly teach and limited only to the 144,000?
that the non-annointed still "benefit" from it though are not parties to it?
that there can be salvation outside the nc?.
Does anyone actually believe that the New Covenant is temporary as the JWs falsly teach and limited only to the 144,000? That the non-annointed still "benefit" from it though are not parties to it? That there can be salvation outside the NC?
http://144000.110mb.com/144000/i-2.html#IV
http://144000.110mb.com/144000/i-3.html (covenants)
http://144000.110mb.com/144000/index.html#I Summary of Beliefs
many are not sure or deny that wts is a dangerous mind-control cult.
here is some food for thought on the "dangerous mind-control" part of that.
(cut and pasted from http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=122936768817 jehovah's disfellowshipped witnesses/facebook).
“The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or any set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in the Watchtower”. -Watchtower 1931 November 1 p.327
Demonic forces instead? Is that what we are really dealing with here?
many are not sure or deny that wts is a dangerous mind-control cult.
here is some food for thought on the "dangerous mind-control" part of that.
(cut and pasted from http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=122936768817 jehovah's disfellowshipped witnesses/facebook).
Great quotes, but you should know that this is a clear violation of the copyright laws. It does not fall within the reasonable use exception, not even close as there is no accompanying scholarly criticism.
jews for thousands of years have believed in their "one god" so i always wondered if in jesus time this was the view, how and when did the trinity start?
did jesus start it off?
are you saying jews were trinitarian?
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